By Marc Steiner
MARC STEINER: Welcome to The Real News Network. I’m Marc Steiner. Good to have you with us.
Chelsea Manning had been in jail 147 days when Federal Judge Anthony Trenga refused to reconsider the exorbitant fines levied against her. She now owes $38,000 in fines. That’s just a few days ago. If this keeps up, she could spend another 400 days in jail, owe at least $441,000 by the time this impaneled grand jury ends its term. Well, there’s little if any precedent in jailing and at the same time fining someone for contempt. Judge Trenga said, who was appointed, by the way, by George Bush in 2008, that it was within his powers to do so. So what’s really at play here with Manning? And what is really going on here with the case of Julian Assange? And how does all this fit together? Just what did she refuse to do? And what are the next steps for her and her defense?
Kevin Gosztola is the Managing Editor of Shadowproof and co-host of the weekly podcast “Unauthorized Disclosure,” and joins us. Kevin, welcome.
KEVIN GOSZTOLA: Thank you.
MARC STEINER: And so, let’s just start. So she’s been in jail for a long time and I asked before we went on the air, had you seen her, had…